Welcome to the Tartan 34 Classic Association forums. These forums are now open for posting, please use a little common sense on where to post your accomplishments, questions, or headaches.... http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/index.php Sun, 20 May 2012 11:48:43 -0700 Phorum 5.2.14 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6080,6082#msg-6082 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6080,6082#msg-6082 Although I have a sloop rig, I believe my boom is of the short variety. I have a seviceable main that I'm willing to part with that would get you through the season. If you have an interest, email me at cahkestrel@verizon.net.
Cleve]]> Cleveland Heath General Discussion Tue, 31 May 2011 09:32:35 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6080,6081#msg-6081 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6080,6081#msg-6081
http://www.baconsails.com/search/boatspec/model?sail_type=1&boat_i=41.00&boat_j=14.00&boat_p=35.50&boat_e=10.50

Alfred

Alfred Poor
1973 T34C #288 "Jambalaya"]]> Alfred Poor General Discussion Mon, 23 May 2011 07:05:59 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6080,6080#msg-6080 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6080,6080#msg-6080
We're continuing with our restoration of hull #331 which we purchased last June. Just took inventory of our sails and realized that we don't have a main sail.

Our plan has been to sail the boat with her current sails and rig this summer so we can get a feel for how she sails, and then tackle the rig and sails comprehensively next winter, including new sails, standing rigging, and potentially some changes to spars, etc all done together at that time.

Therefore, we're looking to find a used main to get us by for this summer. She's a 1973 Yawl, so has the short boom. Anyone have one in decent condition that they'd be interested in selling?

Many thanks,
Matt]]> Matthew Bennett General Discussion Sun, 22 May 2011 10:50:07 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6077,6079#msg-6079 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6077,6079#msg-6079 Where are you located? I'm looking for a spare A4 to rebuild.

Thanks,
John]]> John Lumsden General Discussion Wed, 11 May 2011 09:36:25 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6077,6078#msg-6078 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6077,6078#msg-6078
I sold mine through the community forum on http://www.moyermarine.com/. I got $800 for a good running A4 with good compression that I set up and ran for the buyer in my garage.

Eliot]]> Eliot Shanabrook General Discussion Wed, 04 May 2011 04:54:19 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6077,6077#msg-6077 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6077,6077#msg-6077 I am repowering Primrose (#113) to a Yanmar and want to sell the working Atomic 4 coming out. Any thoughts where to do that? Craigslist seems too general purpose. I would think the engine would be interest to only sailers with boats of a certain age. Any guidance would be really appreciated.
-Kevin]]> Kevin Donohue General Discussion Tue, 03 May 2011 13:50:31 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,6027,6076#msg-6076 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,6027,6076#msg-6076 Thanks for your input on the chain plate grapefruits. The boat is in Buffalo,NY, I live in FL and am about to go up there for spring commisioning. As for the deck in the vicinity of the chain plates, the boat passed survey fine, no water there. However I plan on doing as you did, drill a hole and see what comes out - surgery may follow. That's the fun part. I've seen water drip from the grapefruit so... I am a wood boat guy and it freaks me out thinking about fiberglassing in new knees, etc. I think like a wood boat guy, read outboard chain plates, that would be a first on a Tartan 34.
I'll keep you posted.
Dave
S/V Mermaid
hull #18]]> David Santos T34C Tech Forum Mon, 25 Apr 2011 14:28:56 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,5821,6075#msg-6075 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,5821,6075#msg-6075
Thanks! I saw that muffler on their site. I'm now leaning toward a diesel now if I can peg down the extra costs. I need to figure out if the diameter of the exhaust hose would be the same diameter so that if I did repower I could use their muffler.

Eric]]> Eric Lesnick T34C Tech Forum Sun, 24 Apr 2011 04:37:48 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6003,6074#msg-6074 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6003,6074#msg-6074
Thanks for your message. So glad you've found the link interesting! Maybe we should plan a T34-C association cruise from the east coast to the south pacific. ;-)

Looking forward to meeting you and many other T34-C fans at the gala.

Best regards,

Greg]]> Greg Myers Projects and Photos Sat, 23 Apr 2011 13:11:54 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6073#msg-6073 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6073#msg-6073
Did the exhaust exit the engine going straight back? On the Yanmar site they show an elbow that goes up and does a 180 coming off the engine.

Was it necessary to change the the muffler or just something you chose to do since you were upgrading?


Thanks,

Eric]]> Eric Lesnick Projects and Photos Sat, 23 Apr 2011 09:51:32 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6072#msg-6072 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6072#msg-6072 Thanks for the photo show ........very nice installation and engine!

Best,
Denny Ray]]> Denny Ray Projects and Photos Thu, 21 Apr 2011 16:42:26 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6071#msg-6071 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6071#msg-6071
The old stringers were a mess to begin with as you could tell from the pictures - fit like a glove to the old engine, but totally unworkable for a repower (not level, straight, or flat). They were completely removed and ground down; the wood itself was in rough shape. (Picture attached.) Seeing them in pieces on the ground, it's implausible to imagine ever going to all this effort and expense of the new yanmar and using them.

The new stringers were fabricated by Dutch Wharf Boat Yard. I'm not familiar with the intimate details of how they made them, but I do know they were custom built. They made a mock up of the engine using a piece of plywood cut to size, a mock shaft, and the actual motor mounts (fixed to the plywood). From there, it was a careful process of fitting, trimming, fitting, trimming, etc. until they got the right positioning and angle in relationship to the prop shaft. They also took into account clearances around the bulkhead and the engine cover.

From there, they glassed over them and painted with bilgekote (white would've been our preference for better reflection and visibility, but we went with grey to match the rest of our bilge which was recently painted by the previous owner). Aluminum plates were installed on top of the stringers, bolted down, and then the engine was bolted in.

The engine is now installed (she is beautiful!!), as is a new muffler and exhaust system, and so far, all is going well with the project. I've uploaded a few additional pictures, and will plan to do a full posting and link to a gallery with additional pictures soon.

Feel free to be in touch if there are any other specific questions.

Best,
Matt
#331, "Jack Tar" (tentatively named - trying it on for size before we commit :)

PS - We've admired your projects and website for Aleta on numerous occasions!]]> Matthew Bennett Projects and Photos Tue, 19 Apr 2011 16:33:19 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6070#msg-6070 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6070#msg-6070
Can you elaborate more on your stringer rebuild. Did you find the wood core shot? Did you rebuild to a customized size or were you able to emulate the existing factory size stringers to fit the yanmar. Thanks for sharing the photos, good job on the stringers.

Best,
Denny Ray
Aleta]]> Denny Ray Projects and Photos Tue, 19 Apr 2011 15:17:45 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,5901,6069#msg-6069 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,5901,6069#msg-6069
We've gone on to remove the 30 year old waste plumbing and holding tank...a job which was unpleasant in cold weather. I don't want to imagine that job in hot weather. It is interesting to note that with all the old waste system removed, the whole smell of the boat has improved. It now only smells of atomic 4 and whatever food crumbs the kids leave behind.

In any case...here's a picture of the installed unit.

Greg]]> Greg Myers T34C Tech Forum Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:43:20 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6068,6068#msg-6068 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6068,6068#msg-6068 has not recently viewed the current condition of the hull, he has indicated that it is highly likely that it is crazing in the original gelcoat and either grinding off the gelcoat or peeling is most likely in order. Has anyone else had this experience. In particular has anyone seen this in your hull, awlgripped without a full grind down or peel only to have the crazing reappear within a couple of years (his warning if it is not peeled)
The yard has been "peeling" older hulls for several years. For those that have not seen the process, it is performed with a hand held peeler that has a fine adjustment for thickness of the peel in thousand's of an inch. Done properly, the fairing after peeling is not significantly more extensive than normal fairing as a prep before Awlgrip.
Anyone been down this road?]]> Bill Jones General Discussion Tue, 19 Apr 2011 05:00:17 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6020,6067#msg-6067 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6020,6067#msg-6067 Sounds usable I just replaced mine with 30' of 1/8 7 x 7 halyard wire and it was a 3 hand job holding the wraps around the winch in place til tight. [6 counter clockwise for the down cable and 2 clockwise for the up cable... with the board up all the way]
The only thing I would consider is how resilient will it be to oil and bilge goop?

Best
Denny Ray
S/V Aleta #120]]> Denny Ray General Discussion Sun, 17 Apr 2011 16:03:28 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6022,6066#msg-6066 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6022,6066#msg-6066 -------------------------------------------------------
> I am replacing the winches on Sable, #198, this
> spring. Out go the the old Barient 22's to be
> replaced with new Lewmar 46 self tailers. After
> removal of the old Barients the area under them is
> about 1/16th proud from the rest of the teak
> covering the winch island. I intend on sanding
> this fair with the rest of the teak and filling
> the old bolt holes with epoxy before installing
> the new Lewmars. My question to the list is...do
> I need to do anything else to reinforce this area
> befor installing the new winches? Enquiring minds
> want to know.


les,

I have recently replaced my primary Barients 22's with Harken 44's and found the winch boxes to be solid FRP . I filled the original holes with 5 minute 2-part epoxy, then remarked and drilled 5-new holes with over size flat washes on the bottom. Aleta is hull # 120 1970 model and also has the 3/8 teak covering board on the top which makes for a solid mount. I have photos at the following link. [you will have to copy and paste the link]

http://aleta-53.smugmug.com/Business/Stove-Hillerange/16258322_CiboL#1255273465_cJtJbZ7

Best,
Denny Ray
S/V Aleta
44° 45' 47" N / 85° 37' 14" W
Traverse City Mi]]> Denny Ray General Discussion Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:02:51 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6065,6065#msg-6065 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6065,6065#msg-6065
In the next few days our new website will take a formal bow ! Like other sailing clubs (TONE and CBTSC among them), TCA34 is

partnering with Club Express, a leading furnisher of website support to clubs and associations, to take our Web presence to the

next level.

Our goal is to turn the new site on around 1 May. This old" site will remain up, but only as a host for the historical data on our

Forums - this, in response to the value of Archived forum strings.

User names and temporary passwords for www.tartan34classic.org will be emailed to all 120 + active TCA34 members when the

last few configuration details are taken care of.

We have opened most of the new site modules to the public - including our new forums - Posting to the new forums will require the

termporary password of an active member as mentioned above.

Many of your suggestions, hours of the past three months, and years of our experience with the 8 yr old Tartan 34 Classics Assn.

TCA34s, have gone into this early stage of our new website.

I will take this opportunity to thank Tom Hart and Chris Crighton for their labors in setting up and maintaining t34classic.org over the past two years ! Well done.


Now get ready for a new experience as a Tartan 34 Classic driver... www.tartan34classic.org

.. try it, you'll like it. !


Dino
Website Administrator
www.tartan34classic.org]]> Deane Holt General Discussion Sun, 17 Apr 2011 06:34:05 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,6064,6064#msg-6064 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,6064,6064#msg-6064 Thanks!!
Brian Lusted
Indra #341]]> Brian Lusted, Sandy Miller Hays T34C Tech Forum Fri, 15 Apr 2011 09:30:20 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6063#msg-6063 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6063#msg-6063 Thanks for responding. It sounds like you have definately been down the road on 34C centerboards. My boat is a 1970, Hull # 116 and my bushing setup does sound different. Would it be possible to talk to you? Since you also have a new board I would be very interested in what the square on the pin fit (in thousands) is to the square in the new board. I guessed at about a .005 in. fit of pin to board. Tartan had no information on the fit. Right now I have rebuilt the board (welded in a new 316ss insert) and have been trying to get a better fit of end of pin to bushing on the port side. I splash in less thatn a month. My email address is joneswg@comcast.net. Could you email me a phone # and an appropriate time to call?
Thanks,
Bill

Edit: Looking back at your previous posts can I assume that you are along the coast of Ct. in that you are using Dutch Wharf in Branford? I was brought up a few towns west, Clinton. I am located in Harpswell, Maine and sail the coast of Maine.]]> Bill Jones General Discussion Fri, 15 Apr 2011 07:09:41 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6062#msg-6062 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6062#msg-6062
The bronze bushing was missing on my boat. The replacement has a flange OD of 2.125" and a flange thickness of .125". The bushing is surface mounted, bedded in epoxy with thickener. Holes were drilled in the flange to give the epoxy a better grip. The thickness of the flange depends on the thickness of your board and the resulting space available in the trunk. I have a new board from Tartan and it is thinner than a repaired board undergoing the same bushing replacement in my yard. Both boats are 1973 yawls. We also found that the depth and width of the bushing recess in the trunk varied from boat to boat.

Hope this helps,

Bill Wallace

"Skara Brae" #289 1973 Yawl]]> Bill Wallace General Discussion Fri, 15 Apr 2011 06:10:39 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6061#msg-6061 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6061#msg-6061 I did talk to Neal Musto who did the job about 10 years ago. He had a bushing made but did not keep any dimensions. He wrote up his experiences on rebuilding his centerboard which is on the website and has very good information with pictures that documented his project. Neal got a case of 3 footitis a few years ago and I don't think that he participates on the forum anymore, His write up was very helpful on my board rebuild last fall.
Anyone out there in 34C land that can help?]]> Bill Jones General Discussion Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:43:08 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6060#msg-6060 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6060#msg-6060
Chris Crighton
s/v Squander
Hull 180]]> Chris Crighton General Discussion Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:17:57 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,6037,6059#msg-6059 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,6037,6059#msg-6059
Here's the solution for a bow roller on hull 428. The previous owner had this "pulpit" installed at the dealer back in 1976. It works great! I have no details on part numbers etc. as it is all custom. Hopefully the picture helps.

Kind regards,

Greg Myers]]> Greg Myers T34C Tech Forum Tue, 12 Apr 2011 06:35:23 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6058#msg-6058 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?2,6058,6058#msg-6058 Was it Deane Holt that went thru this process? I home store my Tartan, do all of my own work on the boat and have good machine shop capability at home.]]> Bill Jones General Discussion Sun, 10 Apr 2011 10:45:52 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6057#msg-6057 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6057#msg-6057
Thanks for your comment, and glad to know of your re-powering project with the Yanmar. We are trying to develop a new website for the T34-C using Club Express.

There are two major issues, unique to the T34-C, which I want us to keep focused in the Forum columns on the new website, namely "re-powering" and "the centerboard."

George Duffie]]> George Duffie Projects and Photos Wed, 06 Apr 2011 02:58:28 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6056#msg-6056 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6056#msg-6056
We're just underway with a repower as well, converting our hull #331 from a Volvo Penta 2002 series over to a Yanmar 30YM30. We too talked with Joe from Sound Marine, who had great familiarity with the T34c's, as well as great responsiveness and customer service. We were convinced that a Beta would be a great choice, but in the end, went with the Yanmar for a number of reasons including its long history of success in a marine environment. Our engine beds were in tough shape, and we ended up replacing them entirely. Albeit a lot of effort, it's satisfying to know that we're now building up from a solid foundation. I attached before and after pictures below.

We plan to post a more thorough account of the re-power project within the Projects and Photos forum shortly, along with our thinking behind engine HP, prop size, etc. (much of it informed by George Colligan's thorough study).

George - delighted to hear that plans are underway for a new site! Hopefully it will be reinvigorating for this community, and we look forward to making frequent use of it! Hopefully you will be able to transfer over all existing content?

Best,
Matt & Alex
Hull #331 (still awaiting a new name)]]> Matthew Bennett Projects and Photos Tue, 05 Apr 2011 17:01:59 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6055#msg-6055 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6014,6055#msg-6055
As we prepare to set up for the new T34-C website, it will be my responsibility to help manage the Forum columns on it. One of the really important topics I hope we can cover is the issue of Re-powering the T34-C. I will be most interested in having you post about your experience in replacing the A-4 with the Universal Diesel, especially as it involved changing out / glassing in a new propulsion tube, set at a lower angle, etc.

Our hope is that the new website can be up and running by next month.

George Duffie
Oriental, NC
Hull No. 523 "Merry Mary"]]> George Duffie Projects and Photos Tue, 05 Apr 2011 14:23:55 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6003,6054#msg-6054 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?3,6003,6054#msg-6054 Thanks so much for your post about Vidora and crew. Following up on your post, fortunately I have been able to establish considerable correspondence with Patrick and Johanna so we could properly "welcome" them to the Carolinas T34-C Fleet. As you may know, at the present time they are on the NC Outer Banks. Surely their story is one of the most remarkable adventure stories I know involving the Tartan 34-C.

Hope to see you at the big Rubicon Gala next month.

George Duffie
T34-C Carolina/Georgia Regional Coordinator]]> George Duffie Projects and Photos Tue, 05 Apr 2011 14:05:23 -0700 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,5848,6053#msg-6053 http://www.t34classic.org/Phorum/read.php?1,5848,6053#msg-6053 Bill Jones T34C Tech Forum Sat, 02 Apr 2011 10:57:37 -0700